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Community Idea Section

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:03 am
by SoatexFTW
Hi there,
I have a suggestion for community ideas. For example, you could create your own topic for community ideas, in which players bring in a "short" text what they would appreciate to have in the game. For example: "the spider riders of the goblins should have more health because of ....". For example, once a week you could have a session with your pro players and probably a balancing team to discuss such things. Then these community suggestions will not be spiked with conversations and you'll have a clear community feedback. =)

Have a good one,
Soatrex or aka SoatexFTW

Re: Community Idea Section

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 1:29 pm
by Lostir
What exactly is the goal behind that?
My first impression was that you wanted an ask the dev thread, but instead of text answers a weakly video as an answer.

But instead of questions you want suggestions? And instead of using the suggestion forum, to discuss those with arguments and context, players should just throw those in to the room and the devs have to deal with all of them? That sounds like a lot of wasted time.

Just as a comparison. 5 years ago, when I took active part in Edains forums, there were about 5 suggestions a day and all of those were full fledged concepts not just one liner like buffs and nerfs. And at that time Edain was only available in German. Just imagine how much more that would be for the international community and how much time would be wasted if the devs would deal with every single of them and discuss them internally or even in a stream.

That will only work as long as the project is still rather small.

Re: Community Idea Section

Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2019 5:54 pm
by SoatexFTW
I mean when there are too many discussions about 1 thing the entire dev team needs to read the whole conversaiton which is more wasted time. When there are like 5 small suggestions per day the dev team or actually just the pro players and (probably when they have a balancing team) can decide based on their experience and then they could put the change in the closed/open Beta or any test phase and see how the community reacts to that. Discussions from the community are good but in my opinion it's wasted time when they read 10 sites of different perspectives for ONE small change.

EDIT: I hope you understand what I mean, my english is just not the yellow from the egg.

Re: Community Idea Section

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:33 am
by Lostir
The titles of suggestion threads should do exactly the same as those 1 sentence suggestions, or at least the opening post.
If something catches their interest they can read it and else they won't.
Having just 1 sentence without arguments or context on the other hand isn't really helpfull at all. They will have to understand the whole reasoning behind it themselves, which will take more time then quick reading a thread.

And furthermore, something like that will become really chaotic pretty soon. From my experience, for every detail of the game you will find players who will think it is too weak or too strong and often both at the same time. And due to the suggested structure, there won't be any order in them and a lot of them will just reappear again and again.
Also, it is particular true for balancing that there is a need for reasoning. If users just write "buff/nerf X" into a thread the balance team won't get any value out of it. They will either require detailed discussions with users or there isn't a point in communicating with users at all.

What my suggestion would be:
-a thread for questions to the develloper team
-a balance boards discussing everything around the balance of the game
-a suggestion boards for content changes/additions
-a suggestion collection, where all suggestions can be posted on which at least X users agreed on (X should depend on how large the community is and should evolve over time)

That would gurantee that neither of the boards is overfull and developpers can easily look at the topic they are interested in.

Re: Community Idea Section

Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:43 pm
by SoatexFTW
I mean they need to write something like "buff/nerf X because". But yea, up or downvoting for a suggestion would be very nice.

Re: Community Idea Section

Posted: Wed Sep 11, 2019 8:18 am
by Lostir
Up and down voting would be a step in the right direction.
It might not help that much identifying the major problems, because majority doesn't have to be right and in balance matters more often isn't than is in fact, but it would allow devs to know what the most anticipated problems are and to react to those. And just giving some counter arguments by devs, why the top most suggestion is nonesense would already be a huge step. And if it isn't nonesense, it would be even better.